I know Jesus is the One true of flesh Son of God, that is what He says about himself

Friend, you seem to have overlooked a few things that call your teaching here into question. Did Yahshua not exist from the very beginning? It seems that he did.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made. And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth. (John 1:1-3, 14)

And now, Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. (John 17:5)

Is Yahshua to be thought of as anything less than God? It seems not.

For this cause therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only brake the sabbath, but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God. (John 5:18)

For neither doth the Father judge any man, but he hath given all judgment unto the Son; that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father that sent him. (John 5:22-23)

Is Yahshua not an inhabiter of Eternity, as is YHVH? It would seem that he is.

The Jews therefore said unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am. (John 8:57-58)

Does Yahshua intend that we understand him to be separate from Eternal Father? It would seem not.

I and the Father are one. (John 10:30)

John 14:6 doesn't end with verse 6! What else can we find there?

If ye had known me, ye would have known my Father also: from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him,  Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou, Show us the Father? (John 14:7-9)

Did Yahshua say that the Father is greater than the Son? He surely did. Why might that be?

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24)

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempteth no man: (James 1:13)

And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)

Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. (Mark 14:38)

But ye are they that have continued with me in my temptations; (Luke 22:28)

Friend, there is much to be added here, and I hope I've provided some food for thought and impetus to investigate further. I don't claim to know it all, and I have no agenda other than to know him and make him known. I am seekng Truth in him. I welcome your response.

Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established. (Proverbs 15:22)

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Goal: 100% scriptural 0% opinion. In responding, you've shared some strong opinions and personal interpretations (which amount to opinions), but lets get back to the Word of Truth:

Do you believe that..

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

Do you also believe that...

And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)

Would you agree with Yahshua when he says...

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

If so, then am I safe in assuming that you believe Yahshua when he says...

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. (John 14:6-7)

Allow me to quote you briefly: "John 8:57-58 Jesus had the Eternal Spirit that existed from before time, so that spirit was present from Before adam and in and around all things, so he was before Adam in the spirit."

Allow me to respond: God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24)

Yashua does not say "Before Abraham was, I was." or "my spirit is" or anything along those lines. He says "Before Abraham was... I AM." He clearly states that he currently exists in the past as well as in the present of that time.

If you believe that Yahshua is the way, the truth, and the life, please explain why he confirmed Thomas' statement...

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. (John 20:28-29)

If Yashua is not God, and if Yahshua is the Truth, would he not have corrected Thomas if his statement had been mistaken?

Your analysis of the word equal is not an entirely accurate one:

equal: be equal to in quality or ability; "Nothing can rival cotton for durability"; "Your performance doesn't even touch that of your colleagues"; "Her persistence and ambition only matches that of her parents"
<li>having the same quantity, value, or measure as another; "on equal terms"; "all men are equal before the law"

Even in the absence of any difference in our understanding of the definition of "equal", "one" means "one". Not the same as, but the same one.

I and the Father are one. (John 10:30)

The verse was not taken out of context, nor does anything in the preceeding verses change the meaning of that one simple statement.


To answer your question... God is spirit (John 4:24). Man is flesh (Genesis 6:3). The Word was God (John 1:1), and the Word was made flesh (John 1:14). God became flesh - Yahshua is God made flesh.

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. (Hebrews 2:16-17)

Who took on him the seed of Abraham?

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@AOK4WAY - This statement is a recurring theme of Jesus' that those who serve are not better then they who they serve... He makes this staement more then once, I was using it to make the point that Jesus is not better then the Master He serves, YHWH.

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@BiblicalTruth2 - Please forgive if I gave the impression that I was calling your honorable intentions into question. That was not intended in the least. I only meant to point out that the context in which the verse you quoted appears does not support the interpretation you've offered for it. In truth, I can't find any direct biblical support for the linking of these two concepts.

Please allow me to invite you to address my previous post to the one regarding Matthew 10:25. I look forward to your responses to all points offered, in particular, my inquiry regarding Hebrews 2:16-17. I believe that the issues we're discussing are crucial ones to our understanding, and since we're discussing publicly, to the understanding of those who may come after and read what we've said.

Yahshua's peace be with you, friend. 

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@In_Reason_I_Trust - I was not attempting to make a reasoned logically sound proof, but rather a statement of belief, which I could show what evidence and proof I have for that belief, although that proof and evidence cannot ever meet the level of scientific proof, as Jesus is not standing in front of us to test in a lab.

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@BiblicalTruth2 - Friend, your reasoning is flawed, and your method, in spite of your desire to keep it 100% scriptural and 0% opinion, is quite the opposite. For every verse I've cited, you've offered some explanation for it's meaning other than what it actually says. That equates to nothing more or less than opinion. Think, friend... how can you say that Yahshua took upon himself the seed of Abraham, and at the same time say that Yahshua did not exist until he was born in a manger? That is a spirit of confusion.

You're right to say that Jesus took on the seed of Abraham, but was Jesus made like his brethren, or did he become like his brethren? There is a difference.

He took on him the seed of Abraham... That is not the same as "The seed of Abraham was put on him." This verse describes Yahshua actively taking on the seed of Abraham, which is to say actively assuming the form of a human being in the lineage of Abraham. In order to have "taken on himself" anything at all, including Abraham's seed, he must by implication have existed already. Do you see where I'm coming from? Someone who does not exist yet can not take any action at all, and if one does not yet exist, there is no self upon which to take anything. In order for him to take anything on himself, he must, by implication and definition both, have existed before doing so!

And so he did! He existed from eternity! From before creation!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made. (John 1:1-3)

Dear friend, I believe in my heart that you desire to serve and please the Living God. But I can not escape the conclusion that you've absorbed a great deal of your theology from sources other than His Word itself. I've seen these same arguments made at site after site, so either they all absorbed it from you, or vice versa. Always, there is an attendant dependency on the reader's willingness to accept someone else's interpretation of Father's Word, and in turn that interpretation is dependent upon one's willingness to reject Father's Word at face value. That will never suffice if we are to know him!

And as for you, the anointing which ye received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any one teach you; but as his anointing teacheth you; concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, ye abide in him. (1 John 2:27)

I understand that you believe Yahshua to have been a prophet. You're correct, he was a prophet according to his own words. You also call him a mediator between God and man, and to an extent, that's correct also. But is that the extent of his role and position to your way of understanding?

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@AOK4WAY - 

i like reading things with a different slant. =)

I haven't read the comments though. That's a bit too much bickering. But i enjoyed the post. I'd never really thought that Jesus was talking personally when he said "It is His Will, not Mine." that he actually had an opposing opinion or whatever. I figured he was .... Saying what we other people would say. youknow?

You have done a lot of work.  But, what are you driving at?  These topics are not new, but have been brought up and addressed many times in the past.  I do not wish to criticize, but am just wondering.  Anyway, I hope your studies have been helpful for you.   

@James3_1 - Thank you, brother. Isn't it astounding to think about what He's done for us? His death and resurrection yes, even the great sacrifice it took to leave His position in Eternity and become like us! I think I can relate to His willingness to die for us, I think many of us could bring ourselves to die for someone else. But to leave that exalted position in Eternity to become like us in the first place? Wow, I don't know if I could have done that. That's love beyond my comprehension, and that's the difference between me dying for someone and His death on the cross. It was because of who and what He is that we are redeemed! The man hanging on that cross was God!

@James3_1 - Whew! I'm glad that was a rhetorical question! LOL... Peace be with you, and all reading, brother.